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Euro -propaganda is back! I noticed a couple news articles I thought I'd share (in Finnish, I'll provide a short summary):

Finnish company sells laser rangefinders to Ukraine, Russia butthurt
http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2015030319291148_uu.shtml

Long story short: Finnish company has sold laser rangefinders to Ukraine, Russia claims this means Finland is supporting the Ukrainian "war party" by allowing this sale, saying these rangefinders have military applications
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Noptel Oy's LRF-200 has a maximum range of 3km


First pictures of FDF's modernized BMP-2 MD (FIN)
http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2015030319292768_uu.shtml

FDF has released first pictures of a prototype for BMP-2 MD (FIN), the modernization includes camouflage, new IR cameras in front and rear, anti-air -sights and modernized communication equipment among other things, first modernized vehicles are to be delivered at the end of the year, and the program is to be complete by the end of 2019, this modernization extends BMP-2's service life until the end of 2030s and costs 35 million Euros.

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Originally made in Russia? Check. Ugly as fuck? Check. Would I buy one if given the chance? Absolutely
the original thread with the guide on Finnish provinces is gone with the old forum, but here's the last part;

Åland (Ahvenanmaa)


An autonomous province of Finland, Åland is a group of islands and skerries between Swedish mainland and Turku archipelago. While the islands are closer to Swedish mainland than Finland, they are considered a natural continuation of the Turku archipelago and therefore part of Finland, though due to geopolitical reasons the islands have been de-militarized ever since the Crimean War. The province's status as an autonomous region of Finland has resulted in a situation where the people living on the islands enjoy all of the advantages of being part of Finland while remaining free of things like mandatory military service, during the WWII Åland's autonomy made it de jure neutral, allowing merchant ships sailing under the flag of Åland to trade with both the Axis and the British Commonwealth, and both sides usually left the Ålandish ships alone as neither side could ever tell which ship was carrying freight to which side. Some ships traveled all the way from Europe to Australia and back during the war, transporting grain for the British.

As of today Åland holds two permanent seats in the Finnish parliament, and anyone who is not a permanent resident of the islands is barred from owning land in Åland, including but not limited to Finnish citizens from the Finnish mainland. Most of Åland consists of skerries small islands, some of which are nothing more than bare rocks sticking out of the sea. According to some sources, the quality of life in Åland is higher than in any other region of an EU -member state.
What's the feeling among the grunts/reservists on your side about the Swedish/Finnish Defence co-operation?
(03-04-2015, 10:06 AM)Xyborg Wrote: [ -> ]What's the feeling among the grunts/reservists on your side about the Swedish/Finnish Defence co-operation?
co-operation with Sweden is always welcome, especially considering that in case of war we would desperately need the support of Flygvapnet in Lapland, there's only so much what Lapland Air Command, Jäger Brigade and Lapland Air Defence regiment can do alone.
Yea, we are pretty positive on this side too. We want the a good wall of sauna-heated vodka-binging finns to hold of the horde of russians while we bomb them from afar. So I guess it's a win-win. Well... us they'll probably dump right in the middle of the suck. But it's a win for the Air Force and Navy.
According to that infographic about military sizes from the old TL, Russia has far and away the most tanks of any military in the world. Do they overall have an expertise in mechanized ground combat? Or do they just make an awful lot of big shitty death boxes?
(03-04-2015, 11:38 AM)First Strike Deadly Wrote: [ -> ]According to that infographic about military sizes from the old TL, Russia has far and away the most tanks of any military in the world. Do they overall have an expertise in mechanized ground combat? Or do they just make an awful lot of big shitty death boxes?
They have some 2200 Main Battle Tanks plus a fuckton of IFVs, but as far as Lapland is concerned the real threat is the Alakurtti base, supposedly a naval base intended to defend the White Sea, but the fact that the equipment there consists of Mil Mi-24 attack helicopters, T-80 MBTs, 2S1 "Gvozdika" self-propelled Howitzers and Su-24s makes it look less like a naval base defending White Sea and more like an Army base intended to attack ground targets, and if so, the only imaginable targets are in Finland, Sweden and Norway.
Well, Norway's out, because when do they ever piss anyone off? You Swedes and Fins, however...
(03-04-2015, 11:59 AM)First Strike Deadly Wrote: [ -> ]Well, Norway's out, because when do they ever piss anyone off? You Swedes and Fins, however...
Well, in theory, at least from Russian point of view, Norway is a NATO -member (read: mortal enemy of Russia) that has a number of deep sea ports that remain free of ice all year around, making it a threat to Oh So Weak and Vulnerable, Peace-Loving Russia that only wants to be friends with everyone etc.
On 12 March 1940 Finland and Soviet Union signed the Moscow Peace treaty of 1940, ending the Winter war, as a result of this treaty Finland ceded almost 10% of her land mass, and 422,000 Karelians, 12% of Finland's population, lost their homes, the peace took effect at 11:00 AM the next day (Finnish time), when the harsh peace terms were announced over radio on 13th the whole nation flew the flag of Finland at half-mast as a sing of mourning.



(a follow-up post tomorrow at 1100 UTC+2)
12 March 1940 Finland and Soviet Union signed the peace treaty in Moscow ending Winter War, the peace took effect on 13th at 11:00 AM Finnish time (GMT+2), as a part of the treaty, Finland ceded most of Finnish Karelia, a big part of Salla municipality, some islands on Gulf of Finland as well as the Finnish part of Kalastajasaarento island in Petsamo. When the peace terms were announced in radio, all flags in the country were flown at half-mast. 422,000 Finnish Karelians lost their homes, and soon enough Finland would start secret talks with Germany about aiding Germany in their invasion of the Soviet Union in exchange for weapons and grain.





Second video


(03-04-2015, 11:08 AM)Xyborg Wrote: [ -> ]Yea, we are pretty positive on this side too. We want the a good wall of sauna-heated vodka-binging finns to hold of the horde of russians while we bomb them from afar. So I guess it's a win-win. Well... us they'll probably dump right in the middle of the suck. But it's a win for the Air Force and Navy.

I wonder how well this represents the FIN/SWE -co-operation:



(the artist, Markoolio, is a Swedish Finn and served in Finnish Navy, so that's pretty much a video about a Finnish reservist in Swedish Army)
(03-04-2015, 12:34 AM)apez Wrote: [ -> ]FDF has released first pictures of a prototype for BMP-2 MD (FIN), the modernization includes camouflage, new IR cameras in front and rear, anti-air -sights and modernized communication equipment among other things, first modernized vehicles are to be delivered at the end of the year, and the program is to be complete by the end of 2019, this modernization extends BMP-2's service life until the end of 2030s and costs 35 million Euros.

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Originally made in Russia? Check. Ugly as fuck? Check. Would I buy one if given the chance? Absolutely

Only piece of Soviet iron I want-

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Apez! Go find me one!
I have no idea what that vehicle does, But your gonna own whatever stretch of road your on with it.
(03-13-2015, 09:21 AM)oldwinger Wrote: [ -> ]I have no idea what that vehicle does, But your gonna own whatever stretch of road your on with it.

Lol, yep. BTW, it's a BAT-M, a Cold War era Soviet engineering vehicle.
keep it up apez. I check this thread daily.
I want one of those tractor thingies to clear my drive way! I also second Soup - keep it coming Apez.
Excuse me, That's MY parking spot.
Hey Apez. How come you guys are using so much Russian derived materiel while basically beeing mortal enemies with them? Us Swedes have most of our stuff sourced from Germany or made in country. You guys have great heavy industries, so it shouldn't be impossible for you guys to buy some more local produce, no?
(03-16-2015, 06:59 AM)Xyborg Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Apez. How come you guys are using so much Russian derived materiel while basically beeing mortal enemies with them? Us Swedes have most of our stuff sourced from Germany or made in country. You guys have great heavy industries, so it shouldn't be impossible for you guys to buy some more local produce, no?

Soviet stuff was cheap and robust, double so after the Berlin wall fell and Germany started selling GDR's old Soviet -made shit for practically free (they sold MiG-29s to Poland for one Euro per plane FFS) and when Soviet Union fell and Russia found themselves unable to pay their debts to Finland they simply started shoving guns into our hands as a substitute for money, Sweden also bought MT-LBu (or was it the v -model, I never remember which is which) -vehicles from Germany and with them PKT -machineguns mounted on them (Swedish designation "Kulspruta m/95".)

I'm not sure why we didn't try manufacturing our own armoured vehicles until 1980s, my guess is that after the war we didn't have the resources nor time to spare for it, then when our tank fleet started to become obsolete we apparently got a good deal on British Charioteers in late 50s, at which point we had to buy some T-54s from Soviets as well so as not to hurt their feelings (we did the same with aircraft; equal numbers from both West and USSR), and now that we have a shit-ton of Soviet equipment that still works and is cheaper to keep up-to-date than it would take to replace them with new Western shit.

Speaking of aircraft, when we bought the MiG-21 in early '60s we also got our first nation-wide radar network (delivered by the Soviets), I doubt anyone else would have sold us as advanced equipment at the time even if they had any, American equipment was out of question because butthurt Soviets, British were only selling stuff that was inferior to what RAF used (Folland Gnat we bought was incomplete at the time of the purchase), and Fouga Magister would turn out to be the most crashed fighter in FiAF service (21 crashes during service life, note that during Cold War our fighter force was limited by Paris peace treaty to 63 fighters), so it's clear that if we wanted decent aircraft we had to buy it from the Soviets (we would of course buy Draken in '70s and the BAe Hawk in early '80s, but those weren't available in early '60s.)
Yea, that's true. We sold those old soviet troop carriers to civilian enthusiasts a while back. I remember this farmer guy bought one to use on his farm. There's even videos of the guy blasting around in it for fun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll-rsZJukfY

We also had some old MG42s from Nazi Germany with the swaztikas filed off for a while - rechambered for 7.62 nato. But these day we use the successor - MG3 - as side armament on the Strv 122 (Swedish designation for the Leopard 2 MBT).
Marine Commando reservists in a refresher exercise:


How did the MG-42 shoot and how many fractions of a second after it starts shooting do you last before getting a boner?
apez, why haven't you gotten promoted yet?

Tell us some cool stories about Finnish war heroes; I know I've read about some cool WWII ones
(03-21-2015, 08:22 AM)npr Wrote: [ -> ]apez, why haven't you gotten promoted yet?

Tell us some cool stories about Finnish war heroes; I know I've read about some cool WWII ones

I got promoted in December 2013, and FDF's regulations for promotions say that to get promoted these requirements must be met:

1) 3 years from last promotion (used to be 4, in some cases this requirement can be ignored.)

2) Certain number of "hard" refresher exercise days (from LCpl to Corporal it's 20 days, I have 13 or so), most of my exercise days are from voluntary exercises that until this year did not count for promotions, from now on two such days a year can count towards a promotion.

3) There's a planned position in the unit that warrants a promotion (corporal is already an NCO rank, and both of the NCO -positions in my team are already filled by senior NCOs.)

And these only make person eligible for promotion, in FDF very few promotions are automatic (NCO -course graduates are promoted to Lance Corporal during course and then to Corporal after the course, Reserve Officer School graduates are promoted to 2nd LT after the end of their service on the closest date when officers are promoted, there are two each year), and there's always some reason for the promotion; sometimes a squad needs a new squad leader, so a Lance corporal is promoted and put in charge of the squad, or a platoon needs a new second in command (sergeant or above), or someone is promoted as a reward for exemplary service etc.

My position doesn't require the rank of LCpl and I had already been eligible for a promotion for a year, so most likely at some point between late 2012 and late 2013 I did something that caught the attention of someone important (if so, I have a general idea who, when and where), or it was my superiors' way of saying they trust me to be capable of performing my duties as well as, if necessary, assume the duties of either of the NCOs in my team.

Then a story; Lieutenant Hans "Hasse" Wind of the number 24 (Fighter) Squadron, the top-scoring squadron of Finnish Air force with a total of 883 or 877 kills during WWII (120 of them during Winter War), at the time of the story the squadron was flying Brewster B-239, an export version of F-2A1 "Buffalo" (Finnish nicknames include "flying beer bottle" and "pearl of Sky"):

"On 5 April 1943 Wind shot down three Il-2Ms, shooting at 90 degree angle to pierce the enemy planes' heavy armour, after slipping through the Soviet escort fighters. Nine days later, on 14 April, his flight fought against 18 Spitfires, of which Wind got 2. The enemy shot off his right aileron and with great trouble he managed to balance the BW-393 and take the course to the base. He was concentrated in nursing his fighter as a Yak-1 appeared on his wing, five meters away. The Soviet pilot counted the 18 victory stripes on the BW vertical stabilizer, saluted and turned away. Wind blessed his good luck. Either the Yak was out of ammo or the guns were jammed... "

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"Hasse" would later be promoted to Captain and be awarded the Mannerheim Cross, second class, twice. His final score was 75 confirmed kills making him the number two ace of the FiAF after Chief Warrant Officer Eino Ilmari "Illu" Juutilainen ("Illu" remained an NCO because he didn't want to be an officer, fearing he'd end up flying a desk.) In February-March 1944 "Hasse" was commanded to train new pilots and share his experience. The manual he wrote for the course was used by FiAF the next 30 years.
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